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Today we're going to be
thinking, in particular,

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about the idea of ownership.

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And I'm going to
ask you to consider

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different versions of ownership
and what it might mean to you.

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OK, so, first of all, I'm
going to produce a scenario

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and you've got to
think about it.

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The idea-- you've lent a friend
of yours a piece of clothing,

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a piece of clothing
you particularly like,

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and they start wearing it and
get huge amounts of compliments

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for it, but then pass
if off as their own.

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How would that make you feel?

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Maybe a little bit annoyed.

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But it wouldn't
really be a big deal.

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Why not?

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If they're getting compliments
for it, that's nice for them.

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Like, it doesn't really matter.

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I wouldn't really
be that fussed.

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OK, anybody else?

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That's nice, that's
a generous attitude.

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What does everybody else think?

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Well, maybe if they get
compliments for your clothes,

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it's kind of like you're
getting compliments.

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So maybe it might not
be you wearing them,

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but you're still thinking,
yeah, I definitely

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have good fashion sense.

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Or something like that.

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Let's do another example.

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What if, for example,
you've written a song

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and a friend of yours went
and sang that song at a gig.

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And they then said,
that's my song.

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How would you feel
about it then?

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I wouldn't be OK.

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That wouldn't be OK?

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What about you?

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I'd be really annoyed.

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So we've gone into
different territory here.

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It's different, I think,
because buying some clothing,

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you just hand over money.

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But writing a song, you
spent time, you spent effort.

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It's your thoughts.

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If you wear clothes,
regardless of who wears it,

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it's not going to
get you in the game.

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But if one person
sang that song,

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then you can't then go and
also try and acclaim for it.

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Can you think of another example
of a situation in which you'd

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get really mad if
somebody passed off

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as their own something
that was yours?

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Maybe like an essay.

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Yeah, that's what
I was thinking.

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Why?

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Why would that matter to you?

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Because you put
hard work into it.

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I think it's the
same with anything.

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Say, if you designed
the clothes,

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not bought the clothes,
it would be the same.

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You'd be annoyed.

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Because it shows your
self-worth, as well.

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I think, well,
personally, like how

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I do on an essay reflects
how I am as a person.

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So, that would then be
a lot more important

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than just what I wore,
or something like that.

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Yeah, It's something much
more essential to you.

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I'd want the people--

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Song or essay--

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Yeah, who had thought
that they wrote

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it to know that I actually did--

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OK--

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Yeah, as well,
because I don't know.

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It gains me credibility.

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Yeah.

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See, language you used
about value and credibility.

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It's interesting the language
you're using, actually.

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That it's something that matters
a great deal in that sense.

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That they would have to
acknowledge you, is that right?

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'd want some acknowledgment
for the first piece of work.

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And then, also,
that original person

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who took your work,
everyone would

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know that they took it from you.

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So in that sense, it
might sound a bit mean,

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but so they should respond to
the consequences of what they

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did so that everyone
knows that they did it.

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If we make the move now,
having thought a little

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bit about that kind of
general idea of ownership.

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And make a move into
the idea of ownership

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specifically within an academic
setting and particularly,

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say, a university
setting, because that's

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one of the things that we are
very interested in exploring,

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what do you think you'd be
spending a lot of time doing?

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It's quite similar, isn't it?

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You be, again,
researching and developing

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an understanding of whatever
field you've chosen.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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So, and then what would
you do with that knowledge

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and that understanding?

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What would be the thing
that you'd produce in order

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to demonstrate your
own understanding?

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An essay, most likely, or
a project, presentation.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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And in that essay, that project,
what you're communicating

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is your own ideas.

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Why do you think universities
take very seriously

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the idea of plagiarism?

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It's not reflecting the
student's own ability.

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Yes.

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And why would that matter?

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Well, because
they've allowed them

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into the university based
on their own ability.

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And that's why they've,
obviously, been allowed in,

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and they're not benefiting
the university or the students

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around them if they're passing
off other peoples' work.

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Mmm.

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Absolutely.

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So, does it help themselves?

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No.

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No.

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And the university want them to
have a degree at the end of it.

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Yeah.

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And that degree,
as you say, has got

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to reflect their achievements,
what they can do.

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Let's put ourselves
in the context

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of preparing for an essay, OK?

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And at university level, in
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have to do further research.

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You have to work with other
peoples' ideas, knowledge,

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readings.

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And you have to put yourself
in dialogue with them.

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So you're always
running the risk

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of having been seduced by
somebody else's much cleverer

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idea than the one you
just thought yourself, OK?

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You could very easily
fall into that, ah,

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that's such a great idea.

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And you've written it down
and actually it's not yours.

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If you see something
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is a great idea,
what I would do is

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I would take it and then put
it into my essay but bracket

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it or put something
of who has written it.

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And then give my ideas of that.

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If there was a relevant
quote or something

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that I thought was really
great and really relevant,

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I'd put it in and then
they give my opinion on it.

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So I'm still getting my
opinion, but including it.

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I don't think would
be plagiarism.

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So why is that not plagiarism?

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Because you've referenced
the critic or such that

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you've used.

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Yeah.

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So you've acknowledged
them, you've recognised

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their ownership.

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And essentially
picking up on skills

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you use all the time,
because in conversation we

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allow each other to have
ideas and we respond to them.

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We don't just steal, you know?

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How dare you just steal
somebody else's idea

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who had just spoken it.

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So we're developing
skills we already have.

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In a moral way, we think of
plagiarism as being a bad thing

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and that a person
shouldn't do it

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because they're getting
something good out of it which

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isn't theirs to get.

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You could turn it
around, saying plagiarism

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is not a good thing
because they're not

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getting something
good out of it.

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In a way that could build on
the anxiety confidence thing.

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Can we just have a
little bit of thought?

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Think a little bit
more about that.

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What are you losing
if you plagiarise?

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Not what you're
gaining, but what

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are you losing if
you plagiarise?

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The opportunity to
better your skills

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and learn more
about the subject.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fab-- yeah.

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Any other ideas?

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Maybe just you have
the opportunity

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to show people that you are
also an interesting, intelligent

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individual.

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Because, generally,
when you plagiarise,

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people will know if you haven't
come up with that yourself,

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because you won't be able
to explain it to the extent

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that you would if you had
thought of it yourself.

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So, yeah, I would say
that being able to show

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that you are an
intelligent person.

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Hmm.

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You lose the ability to, then,
come up with your own ideas.

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Say, if you do it
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if you don't mean to do that,
if you're just doing it out

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of confidence, then
each time it will

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lower your confidence in a way.

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You lose more and more--

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Self-esteem--

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Yeah, because every time,
you're taking someone else's.

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It becomes very
difficult to then,

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oh, actually, I'll have an
idea, I'll try and develop it.

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So yes.

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I suppose each
time it's done, you

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lose an opportunity to
develop your ability.

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So, yeah.

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It's very interesting
where we've

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got to, because plagiarism,
from your own discussions,

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seems to be the thing that one
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wrong, and the thing
that we should correct.

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Because it's a theft.

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It's a taking of somebody else.

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But where you've also
come to is the idea

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that it's kind of
thieving from yourself,

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depriving yourself
of an opportunity.

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And it's, to use your
language, the opportunity

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to develop yourself to do
better, to find your own voice.