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YEASMIN MORTUZA:
Hello, everybody.

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My name is Yeasmin Mortuza.

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I'm here with my
colleague Jane Winter.

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And this is the
second of our set

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of three video diaries for
this course on differentiation

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for learning.

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So I'm going to
hand over directly

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to Jane for our first comment.

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Over to you, Jane.

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JANE WINTER: Hello, everyone.

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Lovely to be here again.

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And the first comment
is from Christine.

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Thank you so much, Christine.

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You've really been contributing
a lot to this course,

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and we've got a couple of
your slides in this diary.

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And so Christine makes
a great, great point.

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When you're teaching
students, you

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need to start
where they are, not

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where you wish they were, not
where last year's teacher says

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they are, where they
really, really are.

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And she makes the lovely
analogy of talking

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to students who
live in the desert

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about pedestrian
crossings on roads.

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If you were using
that in England,

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that would be a helpful
thing to talk to children

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about to help them with
their understanding.

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If you talk to children
who live in the Sahara,

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it would be no use
to them whatsoever.

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So it's about knowing the
child in front of you.

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And even if you're living in a
fairly homogeneous environment,

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you may have children
coming through all sorts

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of different backgrounds
and experiences.

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And if we make
assumptions, we're

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not helping the
children in front of us.

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I used to move schools
a lot, and I remember

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one particular history teacher.

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I really liked him.

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Except he kept talking
about the last year's

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syllabus in order to situate
the learning of that year.

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It didn't actually hold
me back academically,

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but it did make me
feel very excluded.

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And in a more severe
case, it could actually

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confuse children.

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So when we're talking about
starting where children are,

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it's about starting where
they are emotionally.

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And we're going to talk
about that a little bit

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later in this diary.

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It's about starting where
they are academically,

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but it's also thinking about
their whole life experience

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and valuing it--

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you know, all sorts of diversity
and not making assumptions.

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Now, I love this image
that Yeasmin has made

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to go along with this slide.

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And see all those arrows?

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They're all going in
the same direction.

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And they're all making
progress, but they're

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starting at different places.

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And not all those arrows
are the same length either.

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We help every child
reach their potential

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by starting where they
are and taking them as far

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as we possibly can along that
route, however far that journey

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is.

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So thank you for that
lovely image, Yeasmin.

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And I think you've got a
comment from Jacqueline now.

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YEASMIN MORTUZA: I have indeed.

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Thanks, Jane.

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So Jacqueline's comment-- we've
stuck with the same arrows.

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So Jacqueline, thank you
again for this comment

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and also for your
comments throughout.

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So I think Jacqueline's
comment relates to aiming

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for all students to achieve.

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So Jacqueline uses the word
achievement rather than

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attainment.

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And I think that's really
important because, especially

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in secondary schools, we
could get stuck on this word

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attainment, whereas
achievement is

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about ensuring that
irrespective of thought points,

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that students move forward, that
they're progressing forward,

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and that if we identify
where their start point is,

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as Jane explained,
we can then identify

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what it looks like to add
value for that student

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from that point onward.

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And that's what true
differentiation is about.

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So if we know where the students
start and ensure that they're

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all actually moving forward,
then what we're doing

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is we're looking at progression
rather than attainment.

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And so thinking about
rule retainment,

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especially in secondary school,
sometimes it trips us up,

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really.

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So Jacqueline talks about
all pupils achieving and not

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just a few and also
how do you do that,

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the manageability of that.

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Well, two things just
touched on very lightly

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here is that differentiation is
ensuring that students are both

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supported and challenged.

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And that's going
to look slightly

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different for each pupil
because they've got

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their different start points.

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And some of them will
fly forward faster,

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moving at a faster rate
than others as well.

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So it really is truly is a
different learning journey

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for all of the students.

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And later on, we'll
talk about how

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do we do that
because we don't have

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to use the students
as their own resource

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in order to achieve that.

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So Jacqueline mentions
that it's really

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important that
that achievement--

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that there is a
sense of achieving

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because that achievement,
sense of achievement,

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is actually going to become a
positive feedback loop that we

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can draw upon and
rely on to help

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this the whole business
of progression.

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So thank very much,
Jacqueline for your comment.

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I'm going to hand back over
to Jane for the next comment

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from Christine.

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Over to you, Jane.

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JANE WINTER: Yes.

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Yes, thank you, Christine again.

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And she makes a lovely comment
about where she describes

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a 14-year-old boy that
she works with who's

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got special educational needs.

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And she explains how he feels--

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really lacks confidence.

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And he's really reluctant
to start a call and a task,

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but she gives him the
support that he needs.

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And after a while, he's able
to get into that state of flow

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that we've been talking about,
that lovely feeling that

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is so great when you get
into it, where you're just

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lost in that moment.

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You're concentrating.

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You're working at
using your ability.

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You're not bored.

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You've having to really
think, but then you're

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not overstretched
so that you start

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to worry that you can't
do it and get stuck.

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Great.

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That's where we need
all our students

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to be some of the time.

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Now I think the
point that I really,

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really want to go without though
is when we think about giving

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students opportunities
to get into flow,

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we think about meeting
their academic needs

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and the skill set that they've
got and what they can do,

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but it's more than that.

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With Christine's student,
it was emotional.

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Now, yeah, he's
got special needs,

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but a lot of those
students in front of you

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that haven't necessarily
got special needs as such,

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they will lack confidence.

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They will have had
painful past experiences.

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They might not come from
families that support them

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and help them to
understand that,

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yes, they can do these things.

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So yeah, you might be a
secondary teacher teaching

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top set GCSE, and
you think, yeah,

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these students should
just be able to do that.

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Give them the support they need.

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Give them that bit
of scaffolding,

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that little bit of reassurance.

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Remind them of when
they could do it.

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Just give them what they need
initially so they can then

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go forward independently.

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And it's by giving them that
support when they need it,

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that emotional support,
that they can then

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do what they need to do.

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So don't just stick
to the academic.

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You know, remember that
that person in front--

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they're a whole person.

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They've got multiple needs,
not just learning needs.

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And you might think,
well, that's not your job.

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Well, A, yes, it is your job.

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And B, it will make
your job a lot easier

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if you take the time to do that.

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So thank you so much for
bringing that up, Christine.

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It's slightly off
the tangent for what

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we do talk about in the course
but really, really important.

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So thank you.

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So I think you've got a comment
from Iptyeal now, Yeasmin.

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YEASMIN MORTUZA: I do indeed.

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Thanks, Jane.

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So Iptyeal, I hope I've got
the pronunciation right--

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makes a really, really important
inquiry and shares a concern

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about identifying the
needs of what we--

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the range of
students, especially

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in a mixed ability class.

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Quite often, in secondary
schools, we have sets

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and there are mixed-ability
lessons as well.

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Right.

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So the thing to recognise
here, whether you're teaching

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in mixed ability or in
sets, is actually the true,

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for want of word, abilities or
range of a student is actually

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a spiky profile.

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And when we look at
things like test results,

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they don't give an indication of
the complexity of how any five

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children will make their way
through a particular learning

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task because we
are complex beings.

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We think in complex ways.

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And we do have a
mixed bag of aptitude

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towards different
areas of skills

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that we draw upon for learning.

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So actually, any
student, any one student,

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is going to have
strengths and weaknesses

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in a range of different areas,
irrespective of whether they're

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in a mixed-ability
group or whether they're

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in setted groups as well.

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And so how do we
unravel all of that?

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Well, the truth
of the matter is--

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that places enormous
pressure on teachers.

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The truth of the matter is
we can't unpick all of it

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for each student as a separate
entity, but what we can do

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is have a broad
understanding of the range--

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the range-- one of the likely
things that some students will

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be able to do and
maybe struggle on,

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the likely stumbling
blocks, et cetera.

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And if we allow for all of
the different possibilities

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to be catered for, that's
when true differentiation

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starts coming.

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I think, especially
in secondary schools,

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we then have the problem of
thinking that we, the teacher,

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are the main resource
in the classroom.

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Yes, we are the mastermind
behind the lesson plan,

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but actually we forget
that the students

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are their own resource.

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They are their own
resource for themselves,

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and they are a resource
for each other.

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Now, if we start tapping
into that as a resource,

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we can allow students
to self-differentiate.

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And then it befalls faster
to oversee the process.

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So if we are giving them
autonomy and allowing them

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to self-differentiate
and self-regulate,

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we just need to make
sure two things.

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We need to make sure
that we've provided them

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with the opportunity,
the learning tasks--

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the range of learning
tasks are there available--

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and also that,
during class time,

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we are able to intervene,
to support, to direct,

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to redirect.

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And so that way,
we don't actually

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need to have a thorough
understanding of how

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one student may learn,
but, rather, we've

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got a generic understanding of
the range of stumbling blocks

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that students come across.

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And that way, we let
ourselves off the hook

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because it would be
impossible to hold information

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like what that graph
suggests in our head

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as we're going about
our day-to-day business.

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OK, so really building
using collaborative learning

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to allow students to
self-differentiate,

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I think, Iptyeal
would go a long way

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towards helping to deal
with mixed-ability teaching.

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And it lets us off the
hook for identifying

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the needs of all students.

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But, of course, we do need to
be aware of specific needs which

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would impact on our plans.

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We do need to have
that awareness as well,

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but it means that we don't
need to have knowledge

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of this micro-detail that
high-level differentiation

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might imply.

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So thank you very
much for that comment.

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I'm going to hand it back over
to Jane for Elena's comment.

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Over to you, Jane.

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JANE WINTER: Yes, thank
you for this, Elena.

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You make a great point.

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And she actually says assessment
doesn't have to be stressful.

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It can be stressful.

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And if it's all about
giving children the grades,

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making them feel judged,
making them compare themselves

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against each other, making
it like a competition,

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and knowing that
everything is written down,

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and there's numbers
attached to them

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that relate to their ability--

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I don't like that word, but
you know where I'm coming from.

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Assessment doesn't
need to be like that.

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It shouldn't be about levels
and labels and everything

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written down and file
for prosperity forever.

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It's about knowing
your students.

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It's about celebrating
what they can do

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and finding out what
they need to do next.

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It shouldn't be
threatening for a student

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where differentiation
is working well.

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It's about feeling heard.

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It's about feeling
known and understood

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and having work that fits
what you can actually do.

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And that is empowering.

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And there's also creative ways
that we can do assessment,

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but quizzes and
games are only as

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good as the environment in
which you are using them

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and the way that they're done.

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Because quizzes and
games, if they're done

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and the students say, oh,
that's to give me a label,

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or that's to show what I can
do, it's very threatening.

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Where they're collaborative.

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And you know that
it's helping you

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understand what you can do and
know what your next steps are.

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And this leads very much back
to what Iptyeal and Yeasmin were

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saying on the last slide about
giving students the power

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to self-differentiate, to
find out what they can do,

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and make decisions
for themselves.

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That isn't threatening.

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And it's great when you
can have the opportunity

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to get in that flow that
we've been talking about

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and know that the people around
you want you to make progress.

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When you learn a new skill,
it feels great, doesn't it?

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And you can feel
yourself moving on.

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And that's what
good assessment is.

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It's about giving students the
power to learn, to move on,

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not to think, oh,
I'm not quite so good

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as the person I sit next to.

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Or oh, I'm a lot better
than that person over there.

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It shouldn't be like that.

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It really, really shouldn't.

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So thank you so much for
bringing that up, Elena.

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That's the end of
another video diary,

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and we'll be back towards
the end of week five

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with our final video
diary of the course.

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However, we can't do this if
you don't give us permission.

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So do look out.

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If we've made a comment
on one of your comments

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asking for permission.

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There's also the question
and answer session.

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If you've got a
question, pop over

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to set 5.2 and post it there for
our expert educators to answer.

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And that will be uploaded
by the 14th of February.

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And I think that's it for
this time, so see you online.

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YEASMIN MORTUZA: Bye.